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greeting citizens and welcome to unknown

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I'm Jason McClellan Shane herd and

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Maureen Elsberry are in the house today

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thanks for hanging out with us we'll be

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discussing yet another episode of

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history's project Bluebook today but

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first it's time for announcements

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Maureen Elsberry and I are presenting a

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panel at Emerald City Comicon in Seattle

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Washington on Friday March 15th titled

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real-life x-files strange stories of

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real paranormal investigations and that

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event runs from March 14th through the

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17th at the Washington State Convention

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Center all the information for that

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event is at Emerald City Comicon comm

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that event is like right here Maureen

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I'm super stoked for it I know I can't

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believe it's coming up in just a few

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days yep and like we said before I mean

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neither of us have spoken in Seattle so

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this is going to be super exciting I'm

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looking forward to it yeah I was

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actually just sitting next to some girls

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having lunch at a bar and they were

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talking about comic-con non-stop and she

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was wearing a NASA sweatshirt and I was

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so tempted to be like excuse me I

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couldn't help it over here yeah you

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should come to our panel Friday night

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damn I hope that that's all right

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yeah yeah it's it's right around the

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corner we're still putting the final

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touches on it but it is going to be fun

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we've done a similar panel before so

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much fun to talk about this topic and

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certainly to the comic-con crowd so

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looking forward to it hope to see some

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of you at Emerald City Comic Con then if

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you'll be in the Phoenix area same

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weekend really same in the Phoenix area

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on March 17th the 22nd Phoenix lights

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anniversary celebration is taking place

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at the Scottsdale Harkins j14 cinema

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this event sells out every year so if

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you're interested grab your tickets now

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for more information about that event go

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to the Phoenix lights net Shane heard

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and I will be at UFO Megacon in Laughlin

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Nevada on March 30th that's the final

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day of the event I believe that is a

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super long event with tons of speakers

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it runs from March 24th through the 30th

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so check out UFO Megacon calm for the

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information on that event again Shane

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and I will be there only on March 30th

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but do check out the website for the

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full schedule for that event to see when

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you want to attend that

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one been June 21st through the 23rd Ryan

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Sprague and I will be speaking at a lien

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con in Los Angeles California there

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might be some special rogue planet

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shenanigans happening there with Shane

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and Maureen too and that event is

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creeping up faster than I would like it

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to you but I'm super excited about it so

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we'll start talking about more details

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with that one soon but go to the alien

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con com for that events details and you

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can grab tickets there too and Ryan

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Sprague will be presenting at Michigan

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UFO contact September 20th and 21st and

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Houghton Lake Michigan mi UFO CO and

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calm is the website for that event so

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look there for details also look on

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Facebook for Michigan UFO contact for

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the most up-to-date information on that

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event so those are the announcement we

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way let's get into this week's project

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Bluebook discussion if you haven't seen

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it yet or if you're not familiar with

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this show Project Blue Book is a

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dramatic series on the History Channel

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it's a fictional series and it's based

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on the United States Air Force's

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real-life UFO study the air official UFO

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study that ran from 1952 through 1969

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now although the show is fictional it

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draws on real Project Blue Book cases

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and other elements from UFO history and

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UFO lore using those for inspiration

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episode titled abduction and as we like

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to do on this show before talking about

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the episode itself we'll do a quick

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run-through of the real inspiration

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behind the latest episode of Project

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Blue Book and the inspiration used for

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the plot of episode aid was as

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surprising as it might be the Betty and

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Barney Hill abduction case of 1961 so

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overview of that case

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Maureen yeah let's call this the

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cliffnotes of this case obviously this

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is one of the most famous alleged

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abductions in all of history what

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happened was in 1961 I want to mention

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this solely because this was a huge

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portion of why this received a lot of

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attention not only was it one of the

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widely reported alleged abductions but

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in the 1960s so that's big news at that

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time these were both very strong civil

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advocates and I don't know this is a

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complicated case there's a lot of

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details and I know a lot of people that

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we know are very versed on this so

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forgive me for just covering the basics

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to start this off with basically this

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couple had gotten married they were on

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delayed honeymoon it had been about a

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year and a half maybe they lived in New

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Hampshire and they decided to take this

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quick little late honeymoon to Niagara

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back they were supposed to say their

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last night in Montreal but they couldn't

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find a hotel that would take their dog

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so and they were having trouble finding

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their way because they were having

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trouble reading the French language

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signs so they decided head home

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there was a tropical storm coming they

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were like we have to drive all night

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office and Betty was working I think as

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a was she a social worker something

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similar and anyways Barney worked the

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night shift so he was very versed on

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driving late he felt confident he could

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do it they headed back and Betty spotted

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this what she thought was a falling star

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moving erratically and it seemed to be

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kind of following them they stopped a

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few times and finally the last time they

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remember really stopping they saw it

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descended like to a hundred feet within

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the range of the ground and where they

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were at and they jumped out Barney went

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over to the field to look at this object

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shape that had a huge panel of windows

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that he thought were

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of non-terrestrial nature he gets scared

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he has the immense feeling that they're

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going to be captured so he runs back

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says Betty get back in the car let's go

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and then they find themselves about 35

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miles down the road they don't remember

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really what was happening they're not

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where they should be

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they were remember encountering a

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roadblock they finally they just keep

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driving home and they get there a couple

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hours later than they should have so

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they have about tourism missing time

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they know something weird happened they

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remember seeing something they remember

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driving down the road and having the

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trunk of the car like hearing a buzzing

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noise and feeling pulsating no idea what

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very strongly that something happened to

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maybe exposed to extreme radiation so

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they took their clothes off outside I

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Betty's younger sister who actually is

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the mother of a colleague we all know

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Kathleen Martin who is very prominent in

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the UFO field and is Petty's niece so

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they were saying all this happened I

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think they got the advice of a neighbor

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to go take a compass outside and test to

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see whether there is some weird

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electromagnetic effects happening on the

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trunk of the car and indeed they found

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this counter rotating magnetic fields

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right where the buzzing was going on

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Betty's dress was all torn up and they

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couldn't figure out why this had

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happened there was a bunch of other

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stuff going on and Barney's binocular

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strap was broken their watches had

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stopped weren't running they had no idea

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what was going on so what they did was

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they reported this to Project Blue Book

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I left out the fact that what they had

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seen was beans of a extraterrestrial

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possible nature he was afraid of

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ridicule so they also reported it to

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nightcap though and which is the

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National investigations committee on

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aerial phenomena he told them of course

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about the non terrestrial figures

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because that's less of a taboo thing to

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do so anyways this is all kind of

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hush-hush it's been reported the family

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knows about it Betty's torn up dress is

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hanging in their closet for years until

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they decide to go through Betty's having

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all these terrible nightmares about a

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similar situation so they end up going

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to see this renowned psychiatrist who

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had been dealing with World War two

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veterans and he does hypnosis on them

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his name was dr. Benjamin Simon and he

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thought their trauma was as bad as

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shell-shocked veterans so something

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major happened to them but they can't

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really recall this so he worked with

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both of them for six months and at the

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end of each session and this was

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separately like he would he would

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interview them separately and not tell

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them what was going on and then at the

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end of each session he allegedly induced

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amnesia so they wouldn't be able to talk

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about it so lots of weird stuff going on

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there's a chemical analysis finally

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happens on Betty and Barney's dresses

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and okay I just noticed that I said

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Betty and Barney stresses only Betty was

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wearing a dress I will tell you that

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right now I'm talking too fast is my

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problem so anyways we have a case where

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we have these credible people they've

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had missing time there's some scientific

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evidence to suggest that something weird

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happened to them they feared for their

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basically the results of what happened

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under hypnosis was that they saw figures

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in the road they were somehow turned

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down this dirt road they got out their

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toes were dragging across the ground

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which is kind of funny because if

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anybody's been watching the new Roswell

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New Mexico show I have just because of

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Ryan basically in the teeny bopper drama

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reboot there is a lot of scenes of

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people across a desert with their toes

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just dragons are being pulled so it's

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kind of interesting they went up a ramp

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into this examination room they were

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separated

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there were short what we would call the

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usual Grey's you know large head big

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eyes skinny bodies short beans that were

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doing tests on them and they felt like

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they were trying to determine how they

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were different from us basically so very

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interested in the skin and joints

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skeletal system the whole works so one

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of the interesting things a lot of

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people will tell you about is that they

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seem to be doing tests that we were not

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aware of at the time like tests on Betty

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using a needle through her navel trying

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to figure out whether she was pregnant

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etc they remember all this weird stuff

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they were being spoken to telepathically

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in English then it comes out that Betty

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has received some sort of like when

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asking where are you from has received

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some idea of a star map so after she

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draws this do you guys remember Marjorie

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who did this 3d star Maps fish yes okay

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a fish yeah Marjorie fish that took

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these drawings basically that Betty did

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and tried to create a 3d system

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example of it

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could be and try to figure out the star

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system and at the time it took a long

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time but they come up saying oh yeah

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this is Zetas reticula star system in

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the southern hemisphere these sun-like

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stars Betty was also shown all these

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symbols on it what they described as

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like a tablet so like an iPad basically

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but in the 60s now one important thing

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to note is that all this stuff happened

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a couple years after the actual event

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and it wasn't until like four or five

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years later when the story went public

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and this is because there was some

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breaching confidentiality and this is

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important obviously to recall because

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they had yes reported this officially to

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Project Blue Book and to nightcap but

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they didn't want this to be public

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because they felt they had too much to

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lose so they had no it wasn't like they

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were searching for fame or something to

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be the most famous couple ever

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but once the news did leak out they kind

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of decided okay well we're gonna just go

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public and and talk about it we'll let

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them write the book we'll do this I

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don't know how much more to get into

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there's a lot of weird stuff with like a

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couple years later when they dragged

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Betty's dress out there was weird pink

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powder that blew away that you know

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skeptics will tell you likely was maybe

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just laundry detergent or something

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it's very very very confusing there's a

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lot of weird details I won't even get

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into the weird Stan Romanek [\h__\h]

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that's not true that you remember that

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Jason yeah and I think we have certainly

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more than enough you know for the the

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discussion going into Project Blue Book

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because we've really really heard you

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know everything that sort of would have

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been covered in what we saw so guys were

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killed my cliff notes

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no no that's wonderful and like you said

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it's a very complex case there's a lot

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to it

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certainly a lot to talk about and will

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guaranteed be talking about it again on

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this show but let's shift now into

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talking about the episode of Project

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Blue Book and Shane what did you think

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of this episode called abduction and

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knowing that they used this case as

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inspiration what did you think of the

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episode again from the perspective that

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this is a fictional representation of

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some real-life events I thought it was

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you know well done and interesting and

355
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compelling and all those things I mean

356
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there were there were definitely facets

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of the the hill case incorporated

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incorporated in it you know happened in

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New Hampshire they were hypnotized there

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was the star chart and of course it just

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being an abduction and those things you

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know could were pretty vague really and

363
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weren't really directly related I think

364
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to the hill case very much however you

365
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know the show it's moving the show wrong

366
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I really liked the well I kind of don't

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like what's happening with Mimi and

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Susie and that whole thing has it

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bothering me a little bit but you know

370
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not too much of a spoiler here but she

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Susie took care of her handler which i

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think is a good thing and she seems to

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have a heart towards towards Hynek so

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that's a good thing um one thing I

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thought was kind of cool that they did

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in the show that you know normally when

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people talk about the close encounter

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scale you know see he 1 2 3

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they really don't focus on the fact that

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a ce-1 is a sighting within 500 feet and

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that's of and the point behind that on

382
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hynix part was if you've seen something

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within 500 feet you should see enough

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detail to discern you know what it is

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and what it is not and then when you

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graduate to a 2 it's also a sighting

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within 500 feet but this this includes

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some kind of physical effect and then

389
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ultimately he

390
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he had the ce3 which was again something

391
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within 500 feet you've seen the craft

392
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but you've also seen beings and so then

393
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later I think see four and five and

394
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those things were added by other

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individuals but I thought it's kind of

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cool that they touched on that because

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even you know in our communion stuff you

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don't hear a lot of people you know

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acknowledge that it's really based on

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the footage so that he could you know

401
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you could have a you know a more

402
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verifiable account or sighting yeah so I

403
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thought that was cool that they did that

404
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what about you Maureen what did you

405
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think of the episode well this one was a

406
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bit of a stretch but you know as we know

407
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this is fiction

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it is certainly causing a lot of uproar

409
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within people closely related to the

410
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Betty and Barney Hill case Cathleen

411
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Martin was talking about oh god I wish I

412
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remembered the words she used on

413
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Facebook something about like utter

414
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malarkey or something and you know

415
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obviously Bryce sable as well who

416
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actually owns now the TV rights for

417
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captured look by Stanton Friedman and

418
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Kathleen Martin on the Betty and Barney

419
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Hill abduction so it's it's interesting

420
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to see everyone's backlash again this is

421
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a fiction show so very loosely based we

422
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have some of the most important parts of

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the real case that they didn't sort of

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touch on or they changed into something

425
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like a crazed lunatic taking people

426
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hostage because he's not getting help

427
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and that's very much not what the case

428
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was I think in terms of the whole like

429
00:20:22,499 --> 00:20:19,690
the Mimi situation it was basically like

430
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this weird date rape seduction thing

431
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that it's kind of awkward and disturbing

432
00:20:32,749 --> 00:20:29,950
a little bit but I know right I know

433
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Ryan was also up in arms about that so

434
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yeah you know it's it's

435
00:20:42,049 --> 00:20:38,789
it's hard to be like well they could

436
00:20:44,990 --> 00:20:42,059
have pulled a lot of stuff that happened

437
00:20:46,850 --> 00:20:45,000
within this case to make it more

438
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:46,860
essential to the storyline and more

439
00:20:52,820 --> 00:20:50,610
based on this actual case for sure that

440
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I think that the wiggle room was there

441
00:21:01,600 --> 00:20:54,900
that they could have done it and I'm not

442
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I'm gonna say it wasn't my favorite

443
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episode and also we you I guess maybe

444
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the one thing that I did enjoy was that

445
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they brought this the classification in

446
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you know the this is this you know close

447
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encounter of the third kind and and

448
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things like that so now we have Hynix

449
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going on as scale by other than that I

450
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don't know I just kind of like alright

451
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:33,809
well that happened yeah well you know

452
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it's interesting that you know in

453
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choosing to use the Hill abduction case

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as the inspiration for this episode very

455
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little from that case was actually used

456
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in the plot so for me I mean I think it

457
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would have made more sense for them to

458
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just you know kind of generally do

459
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abductions and you know do some other

460
00:22:04,149 --> 00:21:59,480
non-identifiable things as the hill case

461
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and in their post episode educational

462
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videos and stuff that they put out you

463
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know kind of show a lot of different

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abduction stories not just the hill

465
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abduction stories saying this was you

466
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know what inspired this episode because

467
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the story portrayed deviates so far from

468
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it down to the the very basics of the

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interracial couple the both of them

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having experienced the situation you

471
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know they did their little cute twists

472
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and turns that they do trying to bring

473
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in other UFO lore like instead of it

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being Zeta Reticuli it was the platies

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or whatever they did you know there were

476
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some interesting things like that but it

477
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was so far removed from from the hill

478
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case that you know

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I thought it was silly to even even go

480
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there but as we've mentioned with

481
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previous episodes and you brought it up

482
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Maureen I mean I think it comes down and

483
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a lot of these cases to just rights

484
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issues there are several people who have

485
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interests in the Hills story you know

486
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the rights to that story and as you said

487
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we know that Bryce sable has has certain

488
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rights to certainly captured so I think

489
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this is their way of you know skirting

490
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those issues and avoiding any potential

491
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legal ramifications for getting too

492
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close to the real story but overall it

493
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with the the episode itself I mean I

494
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enjoyed it like I have with all of these

495
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they all have their issues and certainly

496
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deviate pretty darn far from from the

497
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actual cases but you know I'm fine with

498
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that yeah

499
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one thing that was right though to that

500
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that Barney actually had been in the

501
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military he was had all these honorable

502
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mentions and everything else you know he

503
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:54,510
was actually a part of this sort of

504
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section that they portrayed him however

505
00:24:01,850 --> 00:23:59,790
he was not an unhinged lunatic that

506
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:01,860
needed to attack everyone with with a

507
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:07,290
gun yeah I thought too that that case is

508
00:24:13,220 --> 00:24:10,710
so prominent you know and so well known

509
00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:13,230
that it would it would be risky to

510
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,900
really even do anything with it because

511
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of the fact that there certainly just

512
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wouldn't be time to do it justice for

513
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one thing but I didn't even think of the

514
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:23,040
standpoint that you mentioned Jason that

515
00:24:26,690 --> 00:24:25,080
yeah there certainly could be copyright

516
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:26,700
issues and other legalities have

517
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prevented them from doing it too closely

518
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so that that is an interesting side to

519
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it

520
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yeah for sure and I think we've seen

521
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that you know a couple times with this

522
00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:40,020
this series so the angriest people like

523
00:24:44,030 --> 00:24:41,460
to get you know I think there are things

524
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:44,040
working behind the scenes that you know

525
00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:47,760
we're not aware of but as they

526
00:24:52,610 --> 00:24:49,860
demonstrate the the writers and creators

527
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of this show are well aware

528
00:25:00,530 --> 00:24:58,320
of the cases and they know they know the

529
00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:00,540
details and in many of these cases they

530
00:25:05,030 --> 00:25:03,059
know a lot of the people involved or

531
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:05,040
associated with these cases and they've

532
00:25:08,660 --> 00:25:06,720
done their homework and they've met with

533
00:25:10,790 --> 00:25:08,670
these people and have done a really good

534
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:10,800
job of demonstrating that they know the

535
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:14,370
material but for TV reasons you know a

536
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:17,490
lot of it gets changed and again lots of

537
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,130
reasons for that but they can do it it's

538
00:25:23,180 --> 00:25:21,840
their show and it's great entertainment

539
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,190
hey hey

540
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as a UFO geek I'm loving it absolutely

541
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and and you know if people are

542
00:25:33,260 --> 00:25:29,100
interested in actually learning about

543
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:33,270
this case Reid captured it's a very

544
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detailed description of the book watch

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okay what is the fiction dramatized

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movie that starring James Earl Jones

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yeah yeah journey thank you I kept

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thinking for some reason intercepted but

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yeah interrupted journey that's a that's

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an old coverage of the case in a

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dramatized version obviously don't rely

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on all your facts watching that either

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but there there's plenty of information

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on this case that you can get accurate

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portrayals Carl Sagan was not a fan of

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this case we'll just say that so you'll

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find a lot about sort of credible things

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about the case and a lot of debunking as

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well so yeah I mean again well we'll

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cover this case much more on a future

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episode and we'll get we'll get Bryce's

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able on pretty soon to discuss it

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because I know he's he's raring to get

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get in and you know set the set the

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record straight on this case and he's

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got a lot to say about it so all right

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well friends we've just about reached

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the end of the first season of Project

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Blue Book it's down to the final episode

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episode 10 airs on March 12th and the

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title of that episode is the Washington

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merry-go-round so we're excited to see

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what's up with that to wrap up this

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season and

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say say goodbye for a little while for

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project Bluebook well citizens as we

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